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Letter: Send in census form
Bily
Tuesday, March 16, 2010: 5:05 am

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No conspiracy theories here. No Big Brother theories here. Just an observation. One should never ASSUME.
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Letter: How many Christians fought alcohol sales?
Obama Fan
Tuesday, March 16, 2010: 1:19 am

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I think that all of you talking about how bad "the drink" is should read Ezekiel 23:20. Read it, read it again, think about it and live by it!
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Amish Cook: Spring weather takes family outdoors
johnharrow16
Tuesday, March 16, 2010: 1:14 am

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Letter: How many Christians fought alcohol sales?
johnandferg
Monday, March 15, 2010: 11:58 pm

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joe you say "Alcohol is the devil’s best weapon". please reread the bible. that is not his best weapon. he is called the father of lies. he did not get eve to drink first then eat. drinking had nothing to do with it. he twisted the facts and she believed it. and before any body ou there thinks i am blaming women ot bashing them; if you go read the account, "who was standing right there? it was adam. he could have stoped it.
i voted no. i am moving on.
i will do this though. i will be like jesus and go and make friends with people who turn to Alcohol as comfort. maybe through this they can see that i am a not some stuck up snob. i am truly interested in them and show them they do not hve to drown sorrows.
jesus did not go around rallying people to stop there selling of alcohol, instead he showed them a better way and let them make there choice. there are two choices LIFE or DEATH.
instead of throwing condemnation out there, why not show them through your walk how to live life the way God intend.
K.I.S. keep it simple
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Letter: Send in census form
mdenis46
Monday, March 15, 2010: 11:08 pm

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To the Big Brother conspiracy theorists -- there's a saying, just because you're paranoid, does not mean they ar NOT out to get you...

Several people have commented that back in 2000 or 1990, when we had conservative Republican presidents (or presidents-elect) there was not this outcry. And as I recall in 1990, the questions asked were MUCH more "invasive" than the ones being asked this year. Why, back in 1930, people were asked if they owned a radio!

I'll state it once more -- it's the law, and law-and-order conservatives above all should be obeying the law; if they don't like it, work to change it. Plus it'll cost less if you just mail it back in. Aren't conservatives interested in cutting down government spending? Or are they just interested in bashing anything that even has a scent of liberal or Democrat hanging around it?
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Dog starts fire that destroys Bryantsville home
bluesman
Monday, March 15, 2010: 10:15 pm

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Glad no one got hurt, a dog in the house with an oil lamp burning don't go together.
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Letter: Send in census form
bluesman
Monday, March 15, 2010: 9:42 pm

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Bily said:
Obama Fan - your last posting about being important "No Comment" Bluesman - no where in my posting did I say that i did not like it that big brother is tracking me. It was just a simple observation. itsjustme and obamafan and whoever said the comments were made simply because we have democrat president. GIVE US A BREAK. STOP reminding us of this. Use another excuse.To put this entire comment in a NUTSHELL - It was a simple observation folks, nothing more nothing less.


Bily I didn't say you said you didn't like it. I was simply pointing out a fact, that if one uses a gps, yes one can be tracked, the same if you use a cellphone. If one dosent like that, then one simply shouldn't use them. However, by reading your post regarding such, it would be reasonable to assume you were not happy about it.
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Off The Record: Winter snow woes make some wonder about global warming
bluesman
Monday, March 15, 2010: 9:38 pm

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And some people are to blind to see evidence of such in front of them. I wonder if these people would pick up a rattle snake thinking it was a king snake. Perhaps if they were to do such hopefully before they have reproduced the gene pool would be cleansed.
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Danville community theater presents Pulitzer Prize-winning play ‘Doubt’
wsnichols
Monday, March 15, 2010: 7:43 pm

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Please note the shows dates are in MARCH and not February.

8:00 PM MARCH 17 - 20
3:00 PM MARCH 21


We hope to see you there!!!
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Off The Record: Winter snow woes make some wonder about global warming
"Keepin' It Real"
Monday, March 15, 2010: 7:23 pm

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The oldest sales tactic in the world. Just keep repackaging and renaming the product until somebody takes the bait....."global warming, climate change, global cooling,carbon footprints,etc"

Snake oil salesman have been around for centuries. They are just disguised in many forms.

Change the name to hide the deception.
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Letter: Send in census form
Bily
Monday, March 15, 2010: 5:58 pm

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Obama Fan - your last posting about being important "No Comment" Bluesman - no where in my posting did I say that i did not like it that big brother is tracking me. It was just a simple observation. itsjustme and obamafan and whoever said the comments were made simply because we have democrat president. GIVE US A BREAK. STOP reminding us of this. Use another excuse.
To put this entire comment in a NUTSHELL - It was a simple observation folks, nothing more nothing less.
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Off The Record: Winter snow woes make some wonder about global warming
bluesman
Monday, March 15, 2010: 5:49 pm

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American said:
Meteorologists, climatologists, and atmospheric scientists use the phrase "global climate change" rather than "global warming" to characterize the changes the earth's weather is currently undergoing. These changes involve marked warming in the polar and higher latitude regions, and wide fluctuations and volitility in temperature and precipitation in lower latitude regions. Evidence for these changes is clear and indisputable. The degree to which each of certain, identifiable causes is responsible for this can be debated, but it is undeniable that massive deforestation (over 75% of once-forested land) , coupled with an exponential increase in the emission of greenhouse gasses (associated with industrialization & transportation), during the past 250 years, jointly are the chief culprits.

I'd say the massive deforestation has the most to do with it trees being natures air filter. I'm glad to see the scientist starting to use the phrase global climate change rather than global warming. To many people simply don't understand and wind up saying something like warming hell its 20 degrees here.
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Guest column:
hawkti62
Monday, March 15, 2010: 5:45 pm

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Leland Conway is an idiot. Bunning's most recent stunt had nothing to do with anything that even remotely resembles principled leadership. Bunning wasn't even fighting with the Democrats. He was thumbing his nose at the people that he purportedly serves and attempting to get back at the Republican leadership that (rightfully so) left him swinging in the wind when it came time for re-election. The excuses that Conway make on Bunning's behalf are ridiculous and at the end of the day, no matter what Bunning or Conway say, the conduct of the "gentleman from Kentucky" hurt regular people for no good reason. But then again, hurting regular people for no good reason is the real foundation of the Republican party platform.
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Letter: Send in census form
Obama Fan
Monday, March 15, 2010: 5:44 pm

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Bily, respectfully, you must think a lot of yourself. In the big scheme of things do you think that you are so important that the government would be tracking you?
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Letter: Send in census form
bluesman
Monday, March 15, 2010: 5:42 pm

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Bily said:
. One time I was using my GPS and I unhooked it from the car charging plug and the GPS still could tell me from battery power the speed limit of the area in which I was going through. So that told me that Big Brother was watching me with his satelite. I look up everyone now and then and wave but they never wave back.



Yea a gps will allow big brother to track you. If you don't like that, then don't have a gps, or cell phone. Seems pretty simple to me.
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Coffee Party meets in Danville, seeks solutions rather than blame
pablo
Monday, March 15, 2010: 5:41 pm

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Regarding TEA party being a vanilla group: I bet ACORN, NAACP, Rainbow Coolition are diverse groups too!!!!!
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Letter: Send in census form
EAH
Monday, March 15, 2010: 4:58 pm

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omg...it's a census. not an ACT or SAT. It's not part of a terrism plot or a way for the government to get inside your home and control you. it's for information. maybe this will help our country, maybe this will show the government how much our nation has grown and that we really need a better financial set up. Maybe they will throw them all of them in the trash and do nothing...who knows. point is, they are not asking you to shoot anyone. and filling out the census won't kill you. be a RESPONSIBLE CITIZEN and fill the damn thing out!
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Northpoint featured in animal sheltering magazine
yogichi
Monday, March 15, 2010: 4:22 pm

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Congratulations!
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Off The Record: Winter snow woes make some wonder about global warming
db!o
Monday, March 15, 2010: 4:13 pm

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Wonder how much of a 'carbon footprint' all those space shuttle take offs, landings, etc., left? Do all the satellites roaming around up there cause a problem? These things didn't happen back then. Mother Nature is just getting used to all the 'goings on' up there and trying to compensate for that. This is not a *Democratic or Republican* comment, it's just the way 'I' think.....
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Letter: Send in census form
itsjustme
Monday, March 15, 2010: 3:37 pm

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rebel lady said:
Obama Fan and Its Just Me - you both are so right on your responses and I enjoy reading them! Actually, you are two of the few who make any sense on here. The others just babble and spew forth venom and hatred of the likes of Hannity, Beck & Limbaugh!


Thank you!
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Letter: Send in census form
Obama Fan
Monday, March 15, 2010: 3:21 pm

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itsjustme said:
It must be torture to constantly live with a "conspiracy mentality" afraid that someone's watching you, someone's out to get you, someone's gonna get a dime you don't get, someone's gonna take your guns away - on and on. All fostered by the likes of Hannity, Limbaugh, Beck, Bachmann, etc. I'll bet there wouldn't be a single conservative complaint about the census on this comment board if the congress and administration were Republican.


You are right. With all the paranoia fostered by the people you mentioned and directed towards our President, I would expect record non-compliance. That just means more money for the census workers (hey that is sort of like a stimulus) and records fines due to non-compliance.

People don't think about federal funding based on population for our police, firefighters, schools, and even which roads get the best maintenance. All they are worried about is the boogeyman is going to come take their guns. I have even heard people say that you have to list how many guns are in your house. Hogwash.
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Letter: Send in census form
rebel lady
Monday, March 15, 2010: 3:20 pm

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Obama Fan and Its Just Me - you both are so right on your responses and I enjoy reading them! Actually, you are two of the few who make any sense on here. The others just babble and spew forth venom and hatred of the likes of Hannity, Beck & Limbaugh!
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Letter: Send in census form
itsjustme
Monday, March 15, 2010: 3:14 pm

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It must be torture to constantly live with a "conspiracy mentality" afraid that someone's watching you, someone's out to get you, someone's gonna get a dime you don't get, someone's gonna take your guns away - on and on. All fostered by the likes of Hannity, Limbaugh, Beck, Bachmann, etc. I'll bet there wouldn't be a single conservative complaint about the census on this comment board if the congress and administration were Republican.
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Letter: Send in census form
bluesman
Monday, March 15, 2010: 3:13 pm

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I expect a no comment will get you a visit from a census worker to get the info that you put no comment on. Like I said, the census is in the U.S. Constitution. Its also based on the way the Bible figure King Solomon did things, numbering all in Israel every 10 years. Theres probaly no one who don't trust the goverment more than I, but I intend to answer the census and get it done.
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Off The Record: Winter snow woes make some wonder about global warming
lcjones
Monday, March 15, 2010: 3:11 pm

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Conservatives just want to keep things the way they are, which is unfortunate because thats exactly what the world doesn't need.

I don''t know where you get that kind of thinking. It 's not *just* conservatives. But what we have here, in light of current events in the "global climate change" community, is a totally lack of truthfulness from (apparent) scientists who have an agenda and the rest of the world. Using manipulated data to further their agenda has done nothing to create an atmosphere of trust between the world population and the scientific community.

I for one, use my own very trustworthy barometer. If the rope is wet, it's raining. If it's dry, it' ain't. If it's frozen, it's cold. And that is the ultimate truth.

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Letter: Send in census form
Bily
Monday, March 15, 2010: 2:44 pm

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Well since No coment won't work according to Obama Fan, can they just not take my address off the envelope that they mailed the census form to me. My phone is public and they can have it. The telemarketers already have it. I have found a new way to deal with them and it has worked for me everytime. I talk to them about the Bible and preach to them. They get paid for the numbers of calls they make and if I hold them up they don't make money.
I don't have kids in grade school but do have one in college. I don't mind paying the library tax because when I was in school someone paid them for me. Cannot say I took advantage of it like i should have.
One time I was using my GPS and I unhooked it from the car charging plug and the GPS still could tell me from battery power the speed limit of the area in which I was going through. So that told me that Big Brother was watching me with his satelite. I look up everyone now and then and wave but they never wave back.
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Letter: Send in census form
Obama Fan
Monday, March 15, 2010: 2:39 pm

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"Groves is urging cities and states to promote the census and improve upon rates in 2000, when about 72 percent of U.S. households returned their forms. If everyone who receives a census form mails it back, the government would save an estimated $1.5 billion in follow-up visits."

http://www.wkyt.com/home/headlines/87653552.html
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Letter: Send in census form
Obama Fan
Monday, March 15, 2010: 2:20 pm

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sweetiepie said:
My phone number is not public record, it's non-published. Another thing is that where it askes your race...that is a question that even employers have to note that you are not required to answer because of discrimination policies. So why is it required on the census forms? It says for more effective programs. So because I'm white and answer this, if there are a majority of hispanics in my area they are going to get the programs because it will be geared more toward them than say as just a citizen as a whole. And another thing obamafan, yes my property ownership may be public record, they already have this information why do they need me to answer that? They already know it so why bother asking it "for the record"? Big brothers way of just keeping tabs.


An employer cannot ask your race because of discrimination practices. Here no one is discriminating against you. They are just trying to get a count of each race that lives in a certain area. This question has been asked since 1790. Don't you want your race to be counted?

If the census had to research who owns each piece of property, then it would cost a lot more to the taxpayers. Why don't you just simply say "I rent" and be done with it? A lot of people rent. In many ways it is better than owning if you have a good landlord.

Again, this is nothing new. It has happened every 10 years since at least 1790. You have a choice now of obeying the law or breaking the law. I thought that Conservatives obeyed the law?
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Letter: Send in census form
sweetiepie
Monday, March 15, 2010: 2:14 pm

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My phone number is not public record, it's non-published. Another thing is that where it askes your race...that is a question that even employers have to note that you are not required to answer because of discrimination policies. So why is it required on the census forms? It says for more effective programs. So because I'm white and answer this, if there are a majority of hispanics in my area they are going to get the programs because it will be geared more toward them than say as just a citizen as a whole. And another thing obamafan, yes my property ownership may be public record, they already have this information why do they need me to answer that? They already know it so why bother asking it "for the record"? Big brothers way of just keeping tabs.
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Off The Record: Winter snow woes make some wonder about global warming
balaperdida
Monday, March 15, 2010: 1:24 pm

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Have you ever noticed that conservatives want to throw the baby out with the bathwater? I mean, if one climate scientist gets caught using information inappropriately, then they must ALL be in cahoots, fudging the data, on a GLOBAL CONSPIRATORIAL SCALE, right? WRONG! Conservative yutzes are so busy refuting little pieces of data that they don't stop to consider the fact of WHY they don't just go out and start inhaling the fumes from the tailpipe of an SUV or go take a schwig of water from the Ohio River. The reason that we DON'T do these things is because we know they are polluted. Is it really that big of a stretch to think that, after polluting our water and land that we aren't doing the same thing to our atmosphere and that six billion humans don't have the power, through all of the pollution that we create, to drastically alter the effects of our climate patterns? Conservatives just want to keep things the way they are, which is unfortunate because thats exactly what the world doesn't need. We have to transition our economies to be more considerate and responsible, but we won't do that while the yokels control and frame the debate by incessantly harping on hockey stick charts and junk pseudo-scientific talking points brought you by Exxon-Mobil, et al . . .
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Letter: Send in census form
bluesman
Monday, March 15, 2010: 1:19 pm

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The census is more than the law, its in the constitution. Property ownership is a public record, so is your phone number.
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Letter: How many Christians fought alcohol sales?
mdenis46
Monday, March 15, 2010: 1:04 pm

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Bily, once again you have shown yourself to be a good man. Thank you!
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Letter: Send in census form
mdenis46
Monday, March 15, 2010: 1:00 pm

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Obama Fan, it's selective -- they're not going to obey laws with which they disagree. I don't hear about any of them trying to CHANGE the law, do I?

Go ahead and break the law; the census workers WILL show up at your door, and that will simply cost all the rest of us more to get the census taken. Of course, when you pay the legally-imposed fine, that would help the federal budget, won't it?

It's the law. Do it. If you don't like the law, obey it, but work to change it. Griping here won't do any good to anyone.
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Off The Record: Winter snow woes make some wonder about global warming
mdenis46
Monday, March 15, 2010: 12:56 pm

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How many times have I heard people say that winters "in the old days" were much more severe than recently? When I was 12, I went skating on a river near my home on Thanksgiving afternoon; last year that river never froze solid. Anecdotal, I know, but SOMETHING is going on. Yet the same people who say winters years ago were more severe are often those who pooh-pooh climate change. How can they doubt their own experiences? Because conservative "pundits" say to doubt them.

I use the phrase "climate change" simply because I'm sick of the "three inches of global warming" jokes. "Change" is a much more accurate description than "warming" to describe what is happening. Also, change takes place over decades and centuries, not days, as some would joke. My only question is how much of the change is human-caused.
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Letter: Send in census form
Obama Fan
Monday, March 15, 2010: 12:44 pm

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I just thought of something hilariously ironic. The same crowd going on with the "make prisons tougher, let them eat slop, make them dig holes, they should have thought about that before they broke the law, .... ya hear that pilgrim" are the same ones stating that they are going to break the law by not completing the census. Wouldn't it be funny if they got overly aggressive with the census taker and found themselves in federal prison?

Oh how the tune would change!
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American
Monday, March 15, 2010: 12:37 pm

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Meteorologists, climatologists, and atmospheric scientists use the phrase "global climate change" rather than "global warming" to characterize the changes the earth's weather is currently undergoing. These changes involve marked warming in the polar and higher latitude regions, and wide fluctuations and volitility in temperature and precipitation in lower latitude regions. Evidence for these changes is clear and indisputable. The degree to which each of certain, identifiable causes is responsible for this can be debated, but it is undeniable that massive deforestation (over 75% of once-forested land) , coupled with an exponential increase in the emission of greenhouse gasses (associated with industrialization & transportation), during the past 250 years, jointly are the chief culprits.
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Off The Record: Winter snow woes make some wonder about global warming
Jeff726
Monday, March 15, 2010: 12:26 pm

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Scientists have definitely piled up something, but I wouldn't call it evidence.
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Letter: Send in census form
Obama Fan
Monday, March 15, 2010: 12:12 pm

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Ownership of property is public record. I can take an address and one phone call and find out who owns it. I can go to the clerks office and see who your mortgage holder is. This is not private information and has been asked since 1790. A phone number is hardly private. Ever heard of a phone book?

If you refuse to answer these questions you are in violation of federal law and will probably be dealt with as such. "No comment" will not suffice.
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Letter: Send in census form
nanagale42557
Monday, March 15, 2010: 12:07 pm

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I just don't think it is anyone's business if I own my house, my phone number . These are personal. It may be kicked back and someone maybe knocking on my door. they will get the same answer. 2 people live in this house. What does my phone number have to deal with the census. My race and birthday are unimportant. They never give out money to the working people. I pay tax on library, extenstion office , school tax etc. I don't have children in school nor do I use the library or extention office - so I am alrady giving the government more than enough .
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Red Cross drops Lincoln
EAH
Monday, March 15, 2010: 12:01 pm

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oh yeah, and to all those running the county / city governments...WE ARE GETTING TIRED OF THIS! YOU ARE IN AN ELECTED POSITION...IF YOU WANT TO KEEP IT YOU NEED TO START LISTENING!
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Red Cross drops Lincoln
EAH
Monday, March 15, 2010: 11:58 am

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if you want change, get involved. it's easier said than done but i think people are the point now that they will jump on any wagon just to experience something different. we can't be silent on most issues then reaise voices on the ones we don't approve of. raise your voice at all times! speak your thoughts or present facts about current politics in your town, in your next conversation to your friends and neighbors. encourage them to vote in all elections. there are too many out there that think their opinion doesn't matter or their vote won't make a difference. if the people work with each other for a better county/city government then i think it can work. but you have to be involved at all times...not just the bad ones. what could have happend early on to change the outcome for Red Cross? was there a decision that was made that eventually led to thiis?
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Red Cross drops Lincoln
jelmo67
Monday, March 15, 2010: 10:17 am

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SRP42 said:
It seems to me that the wrong ones are in our county government. It appears that Lincoln Co didn't see the need to inform the public of something this important until they lost this great service. It's evident that alot of people are willing to help raise money for this and they would have been willing earlier. Come on Lincoln Co keep the people informed on things that are this important!

I totally agree. I live in Lincoln Co and I keep up with what is going on. And this is the first I've heard that our Red Cross chapter needed assistance. Why weren't we notified that there was a problem with funding? Seems to me our local government doesn't care too much about its citizens to let this valuable service leave our county without advising us of how we could help keep it here.
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Letter: Send in census form
rex349
Monday, March 15, 2010: 9:24 am

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The letter writer talked about saving the Government money. If you don't answer all the questions, then the form will be "kicked back" and one of "us", who has taken the test, and met the requirements, will be knocking on your door at the rate of $13.75 per. hour.
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Coffee Party meets in Danville, seeks solutions rather than blame
ghostrider2k
Monday, March 15, 2010: 9:07 am

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Here's an idea, why don't we take the good ideas from BOTH parties and put them to work? Why does it have to come down to partisan bickering? I am talking on the local to the national level. Isn't about time we took our heads out of the sands (and other places) before we end up losing this country in a silent war of funding from other countries? Has common sense left this miserable little planet? Only We the People For the People can really answer these questions and others...
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Letter: Send in census form
Bily
Monday, March 15, 2010: 6:11 am

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Thanks Obama Fan - Can we actually include the answer "No Comment" to those questions? It is an answer. Again thanks for the posting.
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Northpoint rebuild in limbo
shellak47
Monday, March 15, 2010: 12:57 am

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My apologies bluesman. It must have been the motto of another group I have come in contact with or seen. You are right, I seen it on a shirt once.

Obamafan: How many times are you going to repeat or imply that I am an"uneducated, bitter old man who repeats things long discredited as fact. "??
Have you run out of things to insult me with, or are you just waiting for the local socialist party line to tell you what you are supposed to say to me? Don't upset the Chairman!! LMAO AGAIN!!
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Letter: Raising gas tax doesn’t make sense
j2109
Sunday, March 14, 2010: 11:38 pm

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The reason Frankfort continues to do what they want is because they rarely see the voters scare them on election day. When they feel like it will cost them an election, they will be more likely to question the logic in it. They did however start one new trend this year that I like and that is cutting executive salaries. It looks lke they may push to limit salaries in state government to a cap of the governors salary. Now I am sure we can all agree that the governor isn't worth a nickle, so that should add at least a few million back to the budget.
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Northpoint rebuild in limbo
bluesman
Sunday, March 14, 2010: 7:56 pm

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shellak47 said:
.Also, "Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out" was the motto of the U.S. Airborne at one time, not mine. I say "Kill the murderers and child molesters, for they are surely already sorted."



No that was never the motto of the U.S. Airforce, Army, Navy, or Marines. You probaly read it on a t shirt, or bumper sticker. Its a vietnam era saying, but never was it a motto.
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Letter: Send in census form
sweetiepie
Sunday, March 14, 2010: 7:41 pm

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sorry obamafan I didn't see where you had included the mortgage part of that.
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sweetiepie
Sunday, March 14, 2010: 7:38 pm

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it also asks if you have a mortgage too doesn't it? well my phone number is none of their business nor is if I own my home or not and according to the consitution they have no right to ask such questions. another on the form is to find out our race. what has that got to do with anything? Other than provide information on how much more taxes they can collect from us working folks to pay for "programs" for say the illegals in this country. yes the law does say we must answer the questions. My answers will be how many live in the home and the rest will be replied in this manner..."per the constitution you have no right to ask me this". I have in effect answered all questions correctly. And for those of you who really believe that statement about "only census workers will see this information", just who does the census workers work for? The government that's who and I feel it is just a slick way for the government to keep tabs on us.
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Coffee Party meets in Danville, seeks solutions rather than blame
derek casey
Sunday, March 14, 2010: 7:24 pm

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The TKK (Tea Klux Klan) is a racially motivated group of people who basically hate the federal government (except when their side is in power - then they think it's just fine). They claim to hate deficits but where were they when Bush was tripling the size of the federal deficit? Not a word out of them then. They came into existence as the vile poster carrying, epitaph shouting bunch of crazies at the McCain/Palin rallies then morphed into the disruptive vile poster carrying, epitaph shouting bunch of crazies at politician's town hall meetings. As packrat32566 points out they are being organized and manipulated (fleeced) by organizers and groups such as former congressman Dick Armey's FreedonWorks. By and large they are a group of ignorant easily led people who have been convinced by far right supernumeraries to act against their own best interests.



i really think it is funny how race keeps getting bruaght up. nobody said anything about anybodies race. it's all about government going way to far!!! government doing things they simply don't have the constitutional right to do. you know like forcing everybody to buy health insurance if they want it or not!!! we do have freedom of choice don't we or at least we have till this gets voted up or down!!! according to yahoo they don't have the votes in the house!!!
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Sunday, March 14, 2010: 6:06 pm

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There are actually 10 questions. I said 8 in the above post.
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Sunday, March 14, 2010: 6:04 pm

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Yes it is true. Here are the 8 "highly intrusive" questions.

How many people were living or staying in this house, apartment, or mobile home on April 1, 2010?

Were there any additional people staying here April 1, 2010 that you did not include in Question 1?

Is this house, apartment, or mobile home: owned with mortgage, owned without mortgage, rented, occupied without rent?

What is your telephone number?


Please provide information for each person living here. Start with a person here who owns or rents this house, apartment, or mobile home. If the owner or renter lives somewhere else, start with any adult living here. This will be Person 1. What is Person 1's name?
Listing the name of each person in the household helps the respondent to include all members, particularly in large households where a respondent may forget who was counted and who was not. Also, names are needed if additional information about an individual must be obtained to complete the census form. Federal law protects the confidentiality of personal information, including names.

What is Person 1's sex?

What is Person 1's age and Date of Birth?

Is Person 1 of Hispanic, Latino or Spanish origin?

What is Person 1's race?

Does Person 1 sometimes live or stay somewhere else?

That's it.

It clearly states: That's why it's so important that you fill in the form and promptly mail it back. Census information affects the numbers of seats your state occupies in the U.S. House of Representatives.

Refusing to answer the questions is a crime.

Title 13

Sec. 221. Refusal or neglect to answer questions; false answers

(a) Whoever, being over eighteen years of age refuses or willfully neglects, when requested by the Secretary, or by any other authorized officer or employee of the Department of Commerce or bureau or agency thereof acting under the instructions of the Secretary or authorized officer, to answer, to the best of his knowledge, any of the questions on any schedule submitted to him in connection with any census or survey provided for by subchapters I, II, IV, and V of chapter 5 of this title, applying to himself or to the family to which he belongs or is related, or to the farm or farms of which he or his family is the occupant, shall be fined not more than $100.

(b) Whoever, when answering questions described in subsection (a) of this section, and under the conditions or circumstances described in such subsection, willfully gives any answer that is false, shall be fined not more than $500. (c) Notwithstanding any other provision of this title, no person shall be compelled to disclose information relative to his religious beliefs or to membership in a religious body.

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Sunday, March 14, 2010: 5:53 pm

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Obama Fan, You said that refusing to answer the questions are a crime? Is this true? I am just asking. I had not heard that. I don't have a problem answer some of the questions but if anything is personal about S.S. number or anything like that I am not going to. They can charge me all they want. Just protecting what I have left if you know what I mean. Have a good afternoon.
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Also, "Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out" was the motto of the U.S. Airborne at one time, not mine.


That is of course false. So I again owe you thanks for for providing a prime example to wit " You come across more as an uneducated, bitter old man who repeats things long discredited as fact. "
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derek casey said:
here is what caught my eye on the paper they sent me:" results from the 2010 census will be used to help each community get it's fair share of government funds for highways,schools,health facilities and many other programs you and your neighbors need."

not one word about what the constitutional reason for the census being for representative apportionment. nothing!! just get what you want from the government.

i will only be answering how many people live in my home and for race i will check other and write in american. the government has no reason to know anything else bout our households. plain and simple.


Derek do you even know what questions are on the form? Are you aware that refusing to answer the questions are a crime?
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Sunday, March 14, 2010: 4:29 pm

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Yes, Derek, it's unfortunate that the basic reason for the Census has been forgotten, or should I say, buried, in all the other purposes which it has accumulated over the years. I can understand collecting certain data but it's gone too far now, and has -- understandably -- become a bone of contention with conservatives.
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shellak47 said:I wondered for a while if I was the only real conservative here, bluesman excluded most of the time, as Ofan and Gman, not to mention the oxymoronic name of intelligentsia kept pounding socialism and pro obummer sentiment. Glad to see the calvary has arrived.
Never really thought of you as a "conservative." You come across more as an uneducated, bitter old man who repeats things long discredited as fact. Your "kill em all and let God sort em out" ramblings might sound like conservative American values to you (and perhaps others) but in reality it sounds much more like what you would find in areas controlled by the Taliban. Your ideas and beliefs are neither conservative nor American.


Coming from someon with your diluted opinions of what an American should be and what a Conservative should be, I will take that as a compliment, seeing how you know nothing of the former and only what obama tells you abou the latter.

Also, "Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out" was the motto of the U.S. Airborne at one time, not mine.
I say "Kill the murderers and child molesters, for they are surely already sorted."
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sass4221 said:http://www.kentucky.com/2010/03/12/1179570/prosecutor-says-criminal-cases.html?mi_pluck_action=comment_submitted&qwxq=3235641#Comments_Container
From this articleBut Brislin said Cabinet officials are "satisfied" with how the administrative charges are being handled. "This has been an extensive investigation for a riot unprecedented in the history of the department that destroyed multiple buildings, did millions of dollars in damage and endangered the lives of all who were there as well as the public," she said.However, a review team's investigative report on the riot expressed concerns that a delay in the investigation and a lack of documentation submitted by staff had compromised evidence.Kentucky State Police tried to start an investigation immediately after order was restored at the prison, but were advised by a corrections official that the investigation would be handled internally, the report said. Several days later, staff members from the Justice Cabinet decided that KSP was the more appropriate agency to conduct the inquiry after all, the report said."After a few days, staff thoughts and observations became diluted and tended to be group think rather than individual thoughts and observations," said the report released to lawmakers in January------------------Sass, if I may offer some advice. Concerning this part "After a few days, staff thoughts and observations became diluted and tended to be group think rather than individual thoughts and observations," said the report released to lawmakers in January" You may want to find out if the guards that made the claim against your son, and wrote the incident report can type. I say this because, there are a great many times in the D.O.C. were one person usually someone in the operations office writes the report for them, and have them to sign it. Usually when this happens the report is typed up, and there is no actual written report that it was typed from. While most offical reports are typed, if the person doing the report can't type, they write it up on an EOR form, and then its typed up on another EOR form. If thats the case, there should be a hand written reoport concerning your son. If there is not one, from my expierence its quite possible it was typed up by someone not involved, usually dictated by a shift Captain, Lt, or Sgt, and then the guard signs it as if he, or she is the author of the report. It happens all the time. In DOC training its called CYA. Making sure all facts match up with each other. Just one of the many reasons I decided to not follow through with a carer in the DOC. Good luck to you.


bluesman, yes, that is what happened to them all. There are 5 CO's that signed all write ups claiming they saw everything. None of the "facts" match up. All 5 contradict each other and themselves at all times. I do have copies of the handwritten reports from Sept-Feb. CO1's statement in Sept. of what happened in August is way different from his report in Feb. of what happened in Aug. Same for CO2-5! It isn't like that for only my son, there are 50-60 inmates whose paperwork are like that.

it is very simple for one to look at these reports and see the discrepencies but when an inmate points it out at court call, he's is accused of calling the CO's liars.
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here is what caught my eye on the paper they sent me:" results from the 2010 census will be used to help each community get it's fair share of government funds for highways,schools,health facilities and many other programs you and your neighbors need."

not one word about what the constitutional reason for the census being for representative apportionment. nothing!! just get what you want from the government.

i will only be answering how many people live in my home and for race i will check other and write in american. the government has no reason to know anything else bout our households. plain and simple.
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It has been my expierence that frankfort politicians care only about their own budget, and how they can fund their pay check. A higher gas tax is one of the ways they can do that. They rely on those who will belive anything they say to make it happen without consequence of their actions.
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Sunday, March 14, 2010: 3:01 pm

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Go to the website, use the advanced search, and search for "CRU" and "institute of physics," "Royal Statistics Society," and "Royal Society of Chemistry." You looking for CRU 39, CRU 42, and CRU 47.
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Obama Fan said:
bluesman, did you ever have anyone with HIV try to bite you?

No
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Sunday, March 14, 2010: 2:16 pm

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The "grassroots" Coffee Party Movement, isn't so "grassroots".

The coffee party is partnered with democracyinaction, a 501(c)(3) organization, (meaning contributions to the latter are tax-deductible) whose motto is "wiring the progressive movement" for "social justice".

Democracyinaction gets its funding from the Open Society Institute (funded by GEORGE SOROS!). Democracyinaction is also linked to wiredforchange whose clients include the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee and the DEMOCRATIC Congressional Campaign Committee.

http://salsalabs.com/democracyinaction

And, here is Annabel, herself, urging Coffee Partiers to go to this website .........

http://swampbubbles.com/person/annabel-park


The bottom line is that Annabel Park is a seasoned political activist who got frustrated with the fact that the Tea Parties were getting their message heard, and the liberals who support Obama were not.

So, she co-opted the Tea Party's format and told everyone that the intention is to promote "civility in discourse". The fact is, her intention was to amass enough people to get attention in order to promote Obama and his agenda, and get him reelected. She didn't care about civility when she was trashing the Tea Parties, though, and she originally said that her intention was to render the Tea Party obsolete.

If people want the same things Annabel Park wants, that's great - but, everyone who doesn't want to promote and support Obama and his reelection should know that they're being used.
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Sunday, March 14, 2010: 1:55 pm

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bluesman, did you ever have anyone with HIV try to bite you?
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http://www.kentucky.com/2010/03/12/1179570/prosecutor-says-criminal-cases.html?mi_pluck_action=comment_submitted&qwxq=3235641#Comments_Container

From this article
But Brislin said Cabinet officials are "satisfied" with how the administrative charges are being handled. "This has been an extensive investigation for a riot unprecedented in the history of the department that destroyed multiple buildings, did millions of dollars in damage and endangered the lives of all who were there as well as the public," she said.

However, a review team's investigative report on the riot expressed concerns that a delay in the investigation and a lack of documentation submitted by staff had compromised evidence.

Kentucky State Police tried to start an investigation immediately after order was restored at the prison, but were advised by a corrections official that the investigation would be handled internally, the report said. Several days later, staff members from the Justice Cabinet decided that KSP was the more appropriate agency to conduct the inquiry after all, the report said.

"After a few days, staff thoughts and observations became diluted and tended to be group think rather than individual thoughts and observations," said the report released to lawmakers in January
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Sass, if I may offer some advice. Concerning this part
"After a few days, staff thoughts and observations became diluted and tended to be group think rather than individual thoughts and observations," said the report released to lawmakers in January"

You may want to find out if the guards that made the claim against your son, and wrote the incident report can type. I say this because, there are a great many times in the D.O.C. were one person usually someone in the operations office writes the report for them, and have them to sign it. Usually when this happens the report is typed up, and there is no actual written report that it was typed from. While most offical reports are typed, if the person doing the report can't type, they write it up on an EOR form, and then its typed up on another EOR form. If thats the case, there should be a hand written reoport concerning your son. If there is not one, from my expierence its quite possible it was typed up by someone not involved, usually dictated by a shift Captain, Lt, or Sgt, and then the guard signs it as if he, or she is the author of the report. It happens all the time. In DOC training its called CYA. Making sure all facts match up with each other. Just one of the many reasons I decided to not follow through with a carer in the DOC. Good luck to you.
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shellak47 said:I wondered for a while if I was the only real conservative here, bluesman excluded most of the time, as Ofan and Gman, not to mention the oxymoronic name of intelligentsia kept pounding socialism and pro obummer sentiment.
Glad to see the calvary has arrived.


Never really thought of you as a "conservative." You come across more as an uneducated, bitter old man who repeats things long discredited as fact. Your "kill em all and let God sort em out" ramblings might sound like conservative American values to you (and perhaps others) but in reality it sounds much more like what you would find in areas controlled by the Taliban.

Your ideas and beliefs are neither conservative nor American.
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Sunday, March 14, 2010: 11:19 am

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The Bush administration treated the shoe bomber case in an almost identical fashion. I don't recall any criticism then or now. Why all the criticism when the Obama administration is treating the underwear bomber case in almost the same identically way? In 2006, the Bush administration tried Zacarias Moussaoui - a 9/11 conspirator - in civilian court and a civilian jury sentenced him to life without parole. I don't recall any criticism then or now.

Citizen said, "...he has yet to deliver on any of his campaign promises..." That a lie.
According to PolitiFact.com, of his 500 dampaign promises, Obama has kept 96 campaign promises, compromised on 33, has 84 stalled in Congress, has 272 in the works, and two concerning national disaster not rated yet,

Citizen said, "He is arrogant smug and condescending...." And George Bush wasn't??? Please, he thought he was ordained by God. Remember HE was the decider! PERIOD! When a reporter told Cheney that the American people were greatly against the Iraqi war, Cheney said, "So?" When Bush spoke of al Qaida in Iraq before the war, the reporter pointed out to him that al Qaida wasn't in Iraq before the war, Bush said, "Yeah, so what?" He thought God told him to invade Iraq. How much more arrogant and smug can you get? Look up arrogant and smug in the dictionary and there should be a picture of Bush and Cheney as an examples.

Citizen said, "he has spent more of our tax dollars in the first half year of his presidency than all of his predecessors combined..." Why no mention of the record deficits run up by the republicans? Why no mention of the record surplus Bush squandered? But I am biased and exaggerate the negativity of one side, huh?

Tracking Obama's Campaign Promises
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bluesman said:All ready in effect, its just not called the dead line, its called the red zone. Its the area between the inner, and outer fence. An inmate in the red zone without permission is meat.Awesome, glad to hear it5. Prisoners should raise and produce their own food. Gardens, beef, etc.----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Agreed, it used to be done, and should go back to that. I'd say that change came about because someone in frankfort got their pockets lined.Once again, glad to hear that, I agree that it should be reinstated. No doubt that the prisoners should be treated humanely and fairly, but they should also be as self sustaining as possible, as little of a tax burden as possible.I wouldn't say one year. There are folks who have been convicted that have been proven innocent. I don't have a problem with opening up the deat penalty a bit though.AgreedYour right there are those who live for it. I call anyone who lives to retake a cell which usually happens in S.M.U. a coward. To retake a cell you have 5 people on one. Its something that has to happen, theres no getting around it, but as I said, those who just live to do it, and yes I've known many are cowards who are afraid to confront an inmate one on one. They are what we used to call control center bada$$es, they bad so long as they got back up, or they're speaking to an imate from the control center. Now as to C.E.R.T. When I first joined it was called E-Squad. Before I left it was called S.R.T. Under fletcher it got changed to C.E.R.T. I'm not sure why the name needs to be changed every few years. I guess people think they're a real alphabet agency that way or something.I appreciate your opinion here, I take it that you work at Northpoint.... Yes ? You have gone far in raising my opinion of the officers at Northpoint by your comments here. Until now I have drawn my opinion only upon your "peers" who have posted on Topix. Are you familiar? I know just like here that there are always a few idiots who cast a shadow on everyone else. I recently posted a comment on the other Northpoint thread with links to said Topix ....... Did you see it? I'd like to know your opinion.-----------------------------Train more.I love the fact all the posters are waking up to ObamaFan's socialist agenda. It tickles my radical right funny bone.

Cheers my friend !!P.S. LOL< Shut up Obamafan, nobody cares about your assclown opinion, LMFAO @ you.


Citizen, I worked for the D.O.C. from 92 through 97, so I don't really know about the current goings on with all the drama club at NTC. Most of the time I spent was in LaGrange at LLCC. I did spend 6 months at NTC in 93, but went back to LLCC.

Shell, I'm a former member of the E-Squad -SRT at LLCC. When I said cowards, I was referring to those who lived for the chance to do a cell entry such as takes place in the hole. As for the alphabet team, I can only speak from my own expierences. In my day about 25% were good folks, the rest were jackbooted thug want to bes. I can only speculate as to wether or not thats the case today.
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Citizen said, "I have great respect for the office of The President Of The United States, but not necessarily for the person that office, that respect MUST be earned."

Well, let's see. Barrack Obama came from a very difficult background. He was born in 1961 of mixed race parents in a time when it was a disgrace to be so. His parents divorced when he was two years old. After their divorce, Obama only saw his father once the rest of his life. He was shuffled around Indonesia with his mother and at ten, he and his mother went to live with his maternal grandparents. He was basically raised by his grandparents from then on. He enrolled in Punahou Academy, excelling and graduating with academic honors in 1979. He graduated from Columbia University in New York in 1983 with a degree in political science. After working for a few years, Obama entered Harvard Law School in 1988. He worked his way through Harvard as an associate in a law firm. In February 1990, Obama was elected the first African-American editor of the Harvard Law Review, and he graduated magna cum laude in 1991. In 1995, Obama published his autobiography which received literary praise. He published a second book in 2006 which hit No. 1 on both the New York Times and Amazon.com bestsellers lists. He ran for the Illinois State Senate and won in 1996. Obama taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School for twelve years, as a Lecturer for four years, and as a Senior Lecturer for eight years. He ran for President and won in 2009.

So Citizen, Obama has done nothing worthy of your respect, huh? I guess you reserve your respect for a President who was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and was still the first President to ever take office with an arrest record? I guess your respect is reserved for a rich kid President who went to Yale, but his time is said to have been dominated by drinking and partying with other members of the Skull and Bones fraternity? I guess your respect is reserved for a rich kid President who - despite a poor test grade and a long waiting list - got into the Texas National Guard prompting allegations that his family pulled strings to keep him out of Vietnam? I guess your respect is reserved for a rich kid who was born into a political dynasty and rode his daddy's political coattails into the Presidency? I guess your respect is reserved for a President who won the office on a minority vote and only got to the White House because the US Supreme Court decided that recounts in Florida should stop?

Oh itsjustme, my simple friend, I'm not going to argue with your hardheadedness. You lack credibility with your overly biased tactic of identifying the exaggerated praise points of one and the exaggerated negativity of the other. To clarify my statement just for you... I said I have respect for the office of the President (that is without regard for who is in the Whitehouse, obama or Bush). I said that the person in the office must earn my respect, I never related that to anyone other than your precious YoBo. Yes he has risen above many obstacles, that's great, Yea for him. However that does not have bearing on how I judge his presidency. It's his presidency that I can't yet respect, he has no executive experience, he has spent more of our tax dollars in the first half year of his presidency than all of his predecessors combined, he has yet to deliver on any of his campaign promises, he continues with his determination to force a health care package on us that polls show that the American people don't want, we could go on and on. Look at bringing the terror suspects to the US for trial, yea, that was a good idea wasn't it. He is arrogant, smug and condescending, he was voted into office by the majority, but he is not acting in the best interest of the majority. Reply if you will, but like I said I'm not going to argue with your hardheadedness.
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Sunday, March 14, 2010: 9:54 am

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It's cheaper to buy Saudi oil than to drill or extract our own. Same principle as those who decry Wal-Mart for having cheap Chinese goods instead of supporting good old American jobs, but Chinese goods are cheaper so people buy those and complain about the cost of American-made goods.
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Bily, great comment. There are both those who will NOT use the food bank due to pride; and those who will ABUSE the system -- always are. My father worked hard all his life, yet when he really could have used help from numerous social service agencies, his response was that others needed the help more -- he had me. NEVER took one cent of assistance of any kind other than social security, though he qualified for 10-12 programs. I hope people around here in need don't have either extreme in attitude. THANK YOU for the help you're giving.
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Sunday, March 14, 2010: 9:41 am

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Sweetie

The Bakken formation holds what is commonly referred to as shale oil. The technology necessary to extract this shale oil in a cost efficient manner is still in the works. There was a lot of interest when cost per barrel of light sweet exceeded $115. As the extraction costs decrease and oil prices increase, you'll see more use of this resource.

A 'perk', if you will, of the gas tax is that we can artificially keep the price of oil at a constant level to force innovation that might allow the faster development of extraction technology. It would be a hardship on many, for sure.

Or, maybe, we might just use the gas tax to fund more research into sustainable/renewable sources of energy. Either way, while gas is cheap we aren't likely to do anything but continue on in our high energy demanding lifestyles.
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The TKK (Tea Klux Klan) is a racially motivated group of people who basically hate the federal government (except when their side is in power - then they think it's just fine). They claim to hate deficits but where were they when Bush was tripling the size of the federal deficit? Not a word out of them then. They came into existence as the vile poster carrying, epitaph shouting bunch of crazies at the McCain/Palin rallies then morphed into the disruptive vile poster carrying, epitaph shouting bunch of crazies at politician's town hall meetings. As packrat32566 points out they are being organized and manipulated (fleeced) by organizers and groups such as former congressman Dick Armey's FreedonWorks. By and large they are a group of ignorant easily led people who have been convinced by far right supernumeraries to act against their own best interests.
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Sunday, March 14, 2010: 9:05 am

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Oh and just for the record,before anyone challenges this....go to your precious snopes and search for the Bakken report. They have known about this untapped reserve for years which is in the Dakotas and Montana, yet they want to keep us paying these ridiculous prices. It burns me it takes almost $14 to fill up a can to mow my yard. I am charged at the pump for highway use tax and such and it is to mow my yard. No highway here. It is all about the all-mighty dollar.
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As we are dependant on foreign oil this is what happens. I guess we are saving our resources for when everyone else runs out. There are several areas where we can drill and be self sufficient but that would be too hard on those who profit from us and are trying to run us in the ground. You know such as Chavez and the middle east.
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This is happening also in the North Country. Number of people coming is increasing. This will continue to happen until the economy turns around. I believe the numbers are increasing of those who will go without food rather than go to the local Food Pantry or food bank. Numbers will also increase of those who go from pantry to pantry to food bank of those who abuse the system. The food pantries and food banks are there to help people. We don't know who to help if you won't come and ask. Nothing to be ashamed of, it just happens.
Let me encourage those who will read this, if you know someone who is going without food and really needs it, please let someone that can help know of this person or family. Personally, I know the information that we have to take down is kept confidential and is only used for us and the Food bank in Syracuse who we order our food from. Don't go hungry. There is help.
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NO, I did not and do not work in Corrections. I will search out the topix posts and see what you have there.
We can eliminate the tax hike when we reduce the number of inmates(i.e. if they are on death row say 36 months? put them to death. Good enough compromise, I tripled my original time quote. Child molesters that are not hear say cases, but confirmed>>>Death penalty. REPEAT drug offenders and any 1st time drug dealers when dealing TO CHILDREN!!!>>>>>DEath penalty. Lots of empty beds.
You are correct, I am thinking, the reason that there are no longer self sustaining prisons is to most likely line someone's pockets. They should be able to OVERPRODUCE their need. Taxes dropped again.
Oh yeah, STOP sending money overseas to help other nations instead of our own!! That is another topic entirely.
E squad is what my old friend called it, sorry for the misquote.
CERT is what they are called now. I do have several friends involved with that function. I would not call them cowards. The prisoners can do anything they like, but lay a hand on them and they can and will sue you using your money to do so. The ones with HIV or other diseases will try and bite guards, etc. Bluesman, if you were there, you know. I am sure I am more radical in my thinking than you, but it takes more than one mind to make good debates.
I wondered for a while if I was the only real conservative here, bluesman excluded most of the time, as Ofan and Gman, not to mention the oxymoronic name of intelligentsia kept pounding socialism and pro obummer sentiment.
Glad to see the calvary has arrived.
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Citizen said, "I have great respect for the office of The President Of The United States, but not necessarily for the person that office, that respect MUST be earned."

Well, let's see. Barrack Obama came from a very difficult background. He was born in 1961 of mixed race parents in a time when it was a disgrace to be so. His parents divorced when he was two years old. After their divorce, Obama only saw his father once the rest of his life. He was shuffled around Indonesia with his mother and at ten, he and his mother went to live with his maternal grandparents. He was basically raised by his grandparents from then on. He enrolled in Punahou Academy, excelling and graduating with academic honors in 1979. He graduated from Columbia University in New York in 1983 with a degree in political science. After working for a few years, Obama entered Harvard Law School in 1988. He worked his way through Harvard as an associate in a law firm. In February 1990, Obama was elected the first African-American editor of the Harvard Law Review, and he graduated magna cum laude in 1991. In 1995, Obama published his autobiography which received literary praise. He published a second book in 2006 which hit No. 1 on both the New York Times and Amazon.com bestsellers lists. He ran for the Illinois State Senate and won in 1996. Obama taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School for twelve years, as a Lecturer for four years, and as a Senior Lecturer for eight years. He ran for President and won in 2009.

So Citizen, Obama has done nothing worthy of your respect, huh? I guess you reserve your respect for a President who was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and was still the first President to ever take office with an arrest record? I guess your respect is reserved for a rich kid President who went to Yale, but his time is said to have been dominated by drinking and partying with other members of the Skull and Bones fraternity? I guess your respect is reserved for a rich kid President who - despite a poor test grade and a long waiting list - got into the Texas National Guard prompting allegations that his family pulled strings to keep him out of Vietnam? I guess your respect is reserved for a rich kid who was born into a political dynasty and rode his daddy's political coattails into the Presidency? I guess your respect is reserved for a President who won the office on a minority vote and only got to the White House because the US Supreme Court decided that recounts in Florida should stop?
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I was a member of the Tea Party. But after Sarah Palin went to Nashville to speak, I did some digging and prying. The Tea Party convention in Nashville, it was a COMMERCIAL ENDEAVOR by a CORPORATION. It was not a political meeting as we were led to believe. BUT this endeavor lined PRIVATE POCKETS. The money came from the $5,000 per plate dinner fee. And that was for nothing more than a plate with a handfull of food. If YOU elected to have water, silverware or other amenities, that was extra.

The Tea Party has people getting rich off the movement. When Democrats get into trouble or Republicans get into trouble, they have another political party they can go to to get continous employment. You really didn't think they would get an honest to goodness job did you? And there has already been a migration of political leaders going from the major parties to the Tea Party. Our Government has become so corrupt that all three parties need to be investigated and possibly incarcerated.
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Obama Fan said:
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Is Stephen Green not a murderer and rapist? Are the guards at Abu Gharib not sex abusers? Is the Marine who threw a puppy off a cliff not an animal abuser? Would not that sort of behavior here result in an angry lynch mob? I have every right in the world to call them what they are. They disgrace this country and its military.

My taxes have actually dropped since Obama took office. Unless you are making more than $250,000 a year yours should have too.


Please try to comprehend this time... As I have admitted previously, yes, there are a few scumbags in every crowd. Just like the handful that you equate to the whole as "murders and rapists' . Help me understand your hatred, is it because of your disdain for former President Bush that you see all of the service members in Iraq and Afghanistan as "murders and Rapists"? You cite specific examples, how many individuals can you specifically name? What percentage of the total 1,454,515 on active duty and the additional 848,000 in the seven reserve components are you accusing of being a "rapist' or "murderer" Help us to understand your anti-American sentiments.
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Unions have existed for years so that's not taking the country in any direction whereas it is nothing new. Socialized medicine? If you actually understand the healthcare reform you would see that its not socialized medicine but merely regulation of insurance companies just like hundreds of other industries are regulated - from restaurants to airlines. And its not 800 trillion. It is $787 billion. Ask the thousands of people who stood in line at RJ Corman for a job what they think about it. That was made possible by the recovery act. Didn't hear them complaining.

Of course I guess it was okay when Bush bailed all the companies out and had a check sent to everyone. Then you got something in hand so that made it okay. No teabagging then. Why was that not "socialism"?

The petty little name calling just shows what a child you really are. "yo'bama"? What are you like eight?


Unions have served out their usefulness, now they only over inflate the price of US made goods and force the outsourcing of American jobs (hence the unemployment rate) Agreed, their existence is nothing "new" but their time of decline is now. The obama agenda is to partner with and strengthen the unions. How does this correlate with the creation of new jobs, bringing off shore jobs back to the USA?

A regulation of the insurance companies like hundreds of other industries? How about the increases that we will all pay to insure that the leaches of society and the illegal aliens are insured to the same levels as are those of us who are paying for equal care. Why cant we include tort reform? How can you convince me that the public option is a good idea, do you want our government to become an insurance entity? Please look at the post office, there is a perfect example of how efficiently the government can run a business.

Ha, you dare to call me out on "petty little name calling", isn't that right up your ally, calling our overseas service members "rapist and murders" Whats wrong son, did I strike a nerve with you? Hmm, what was it that I saw you say earlier today... "I'm pretty sure that you'll get over it"... Was that it?
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Hold on to your KNITTING! John Wayne did go to Canada, no he was not dodging the draft. Even though he was born in the USA, he had CANADIAN parents. Now look it up if your mother and father will let you off this site!

Obama Fan, I'd like to catch you in a barbershop. I've got a feeling you visit a barbershop once every two years, just to get the tags washed out. You farm boys know about tags? I believe he has some. They are putting a strain on his thinking rationally. If this boy had a brain to use, maybe he would really think like an American. The tags have him frustrated.
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Saturday, March 13, 2010: 11:58 pm

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Who do I think that I am? Yes, who do you think you are to generalize all of our service members in Iraq as "Murders and Rapists" Don't know about lately but I did serve in the national guard for two years in 1994-1996. Oh, so you too are a "murderer and Rapist" Lately, I have given a bunch of tax dollars.Yea, as have we all, hang on though because we are about to be giving a hell of a lot more to pay for yobo's socialist agenda. By being a productive member of society who works and obeys the law, I am giving all that is expected of me. You seem to expect more from the rest of us, are you willing to give more as well?


Is Stephen Green not a murderer and rapist? Are the guards at Abu Gharib not sex abusers? Is the Marine who threw a puppy off a cliff not an animal abuser? Would not that sort of behavior here result in an angry lynch mob? I have every right in the world to call them what they are. They disgrace this country and its military.

My taxes have actually dropped since Obama took office. Unless you are making more than $250,000 a year yours should have too.
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Saturday, March 13, 2010: 11:45 pm

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Unions have existed for years so that's not taking the country in any direction whereas it is nothing new. Socialized medicine? If you actually understand the healthcare reform you would see that its not socialized medicine but merely regulation of insurance companies just like hundreds of other industries are regulated - from restaurants to airlines. And its not 800 trillion. It is $787 billion. Ask the thousands of people who stood in line at RJ Corman for a job what they think about it. That was made possible by the recovery act. Didn't hear them complaining.

Of course I guess it was okay when Bush bailed all the companies out and had a check sent to everyone. Then you got something in hand so that made it okay. No teabagging then. Why was that not "socialism"?

The petty little name calling just shows what a child you really are. "yo'bama"? What are you like eight?
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Saturday, March 13, 2010: 11:39 pm

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Who do I think that I am? Yes, who do you think you are to generalize all of our service members in Iraq as "Murders and Rapists" Don't know about lately but I did serve in the national guard for two years in 1994-1996. Oh, so you too are a "murderer and Rapist" Lately, I have given a bunch of tax dollars.Yea, as have we all, hang on though because we are about to be giving a hell of a lot more to pay for yobo's socialist agenda. By being a productive member of society who works and obeys the law, I am giving all that is expected of me. You seem to expect more from the rest of us, are you willing to give more as well?

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Saturday, March 13, 2010: 11:30 pm

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I see. So by being a supporter of the President, that makes you a socialist? Bizarre.

Perhaps you can explain why that is? What actions have the President taken that would indicate that we are moving towards socialism?


I have great respect for the office of The President Of The United States, but not necessarily for the person that office, that respect MUST be earned.

Why do I associate yo'bama with socialism, really, hmmm. perhaps his love of organized labor, socialized medicine, his $800 trillion American reinvestment and recovery act (aka stimulus "sham"), .. etc.
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Saturday, March 13, 2010: 11:27 pm

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The basic tenant of the tea party is for government to stop holding so much sway over peoples lives, i.e. the loss of liberty. No taxation without proper representation. The government spends too much money, demands more money for services we can't afford(we being those who pay taxes). Coffee is the epitome of what the tea party is against. Coffee prices are going higher and higher, people paying more and more for a cup of coffee($4 at the Hub) that would be nearly free if someone used their brain and made it at home. So, keep it up Coffee party, you are making the job for the Tea party goers very easy!
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Saturday, March 13, 2010: 11:27 pm

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Who do I think that I am? What kind of question is that? Does that really deserve an answer? I am an American citizen with an opinion. That's who I am. What have I given our country lately. Don't know about lately but I did serve in the national guard for two years in 1994-1996. Lately, I have given a bunch of tax dollars. By being a productive member of society who works and obeys the law, I am giving all that is expected of me.

I don't think it is very patriotic of you to degrade our President like that. That aside, would you now care to share with us what Barack Obama has done to move the country into the direction of Socialism?
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I stand by what I said, to wit, we have enough murderers and rapists over there now.

Steve Green along with some of his buddies, raped and murdered a young girl and then killed her and her family to cover it up. He is not a hero nor are his buddies. Nor is the marine who threw a puppy off a cliff. Nor are the soldiers who were at Abu Ghraib prison. They are all criminals who have tainted the flag far more than any hippie spitting or burning it has ever done. They have cost American lives be enraging people who would otherwise be neutral to us.

Yet we see sort of a blind devotion to people in uniform after 9/11. They can do no wrong. Read a story in the Advocate about someone beating a dog and they cries go out to beat that person to death. Put a USMC uniform on that same person and he is suddenly "a young man who is just letting off stress."

We do not need more people like them over there. In other words, rapists, murderers, animal abusers, and sex abusers.


And I'll stand by what I said... " I hope that YOU realize how fortunate you are to live in a country where our servicemen will fight and are willing to give their life for YOUR right to criticize and label them as "Murders & Rapists". Having served OUR country in both the active duty Army and Air Force, having been honorably discharged from both, having been in a Army National Guard unit that was activated and deployed for the first gulf war; I for one resent your generalization."

Once again I'll ask you this...
Who do you think you are, What have YOU given OUR country lately?



See that's what I'm talking about. You see a man in uniform and you get "excited." In your mind he can do no wrong. Even if that means raping and killing. He's just blowing off some steam. Shame on those military prosecutors who put him in prison for life.

In your mind the actions at Abu Ghraib were justified acts. The rape and murder of a 13 year old girl is justified. After all, this is a hero we are talking about.

Ignore the myriad of news stories about soldiers committing crimes in many cases against their own families. They have a uniform on and that makes your "southern regions tropical." That's the blind devotion I'm talking about. Thanks for volunteering to be a prime example.


Ha, once again you take a reasonable view and explode it into your ridiculously exaggerated left wing extremest rhetoric. Are you serious that this is the only way you know how to defend your ignorance, by judging the "excitement" of my "tropical southern regions". It worries me that you are even pondering such things, it worries me that you may be the one "excited' by such thoughts.

I see a person in uniform and I see our armed services as a whole and I am proud; that is patriotism, something that you have no concept of. I also am intelligent enough to be realistic and understand that yes, there are some scumbags in our military as are there in any group. Hell, you represent that same faction here in this forum as does your hero duhbama in our current executive branch, see what I mean, there are a few of your kind in every crowd.

As for me being a "prime example" of the validity of your warped view of our military, my advise, don't flatter yourself. It is however obvious that you may in fact be a "prime example" of your own idiocy.


I answered your reply, several times I have asked though in reference to your discrediting our service members... Who do you think you are, What have YOU given OUR country lately? Why do you avoid answering? Could it be that your only true reply could be that you have done nothing but complain?
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Saturday, March 13, 2010: 11:12 pm

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I see. So by being a supporter of the President, that makes you a socialist? Bizarre.

Perhaps you can explain why that is? What actions have the President taken that would indicate that we are moving towards socialism?
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God doesn't hate. Socialism is an economic system. Nothing in this pitiful parody of a conversation has anything to do with socialism. Socialism and socialist are words that are thrown around by those brainless teabaggers who have no idea what they mean. Please enlighten me by explaining how prisons have anything to do with a "socialist agenda."

My quote is as follows "True enough that you haven't specifically mentioned the economy, but I think that references associating you to Socialism are implied." Implied as in your self assigned screen name of "obama fan" is synonymous with socialism. It is only you and your self proclaimed man love obama that are associated with socialism, not the prision system.
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God doesn't hate. Socialism is an economic system. Nothing in this pitiful parody of a conversation has anything to do with socialism. Socialism and socialist are words that are thrown around by those brainless teabaggers who have no idea what they mean. Please enlighten me by explaining how prisons have anything to do with a "socialist agenda."
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Saturday, March 13, 2010: 10:33 pm

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I could smell this big pile of dung a mile away. It's a leftist smoke screen at best.


Agreed...
The Tea Party has steeped long enough to gain enough strength to steam some fear into the lefties, this is their best effort to dilute the brew.

As much as I love my morning coffee... politically speaking... No coffee for me, tea please.
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I could smell this big pile of dung a mile away. It's a leftist smoke screen at best.
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Saturday, March 13, 2010: 10:16 pm

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Since there wasn't a single word typed by me that had anything to do with the economy, it only goes to prove that most people have no idea what socialism is. LMFAO indeed!


True enough that you haven't specifically mentioned the economy, but I think that references associating you to Socialism are implied.

To quote you..."No fact is ever going to be satisfactory to you. You'll find some way to discredit it by playing a "Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon" game."... This is just you once again living up to your standard MO, playing the "Kevin Bacon" game with us.

God hates a hypocrite.
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Saturday, March 13, 2010: 10:06 pm

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Such rational sounding people.....and in Danville, too! I'm speechless.
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Saturday, March 13, 2010: 10:01 pm

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Since there wasn't a single word typed by me that had anything to do with the economy, it only goes to prove that most people have no idea what socialism is. LMFAO indeed!
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All ready in effect, its just not called the dead line, its called the red zone. Its the area between the inner, and outer fence. An inmate in the red zone without permission is meat.

Awesome, glad to hear it


5. Prisoners should raise and produce their own food. Gardens, beef, etc.

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Agreed, it used to be done, and should go back to that. I'd say that change came about because someone in frankfort got their pockets lined.

Once again, glad to hear that, I agree that it should be reinstated. No doubt that the prisoners should be treated humanely and fairly, but they should also be as self sustaining as possible, as little of a tax burden as possible.



I wouldn't say one year. There are folks who have been convicted that have been proven innocent. I don't have a problem with opening up the deat penalty a bit though.

Agreed


Your right there are those who live for it. I call anyone who lives to retake a cell which usually happens in S.M.U. a coward. To retake a cell you have 5 people on one. Its something that has to happen, theres no getting around it, but as I said, those who just live to do it, and yes I've known many are cowards who are afraid to confront an inmate one on one. They are what we used to call control center bada$$es, they bad so long as they got back up, or they're speaking to an imate from the control center. Now as to C.E.R.T. When I first joined it was called E-Squad. Before I left it was called S.R.T. Under fletcher it got changed to C.E.R.T. I'm not sure why the name needs to be changed every few years. I guess people think they're a real alphabet agency that way or something.

I appreciate your opinion here, I take it that you work at Northpoint.... Yes ? You have gone far in raising my opinion of the officers at Northpoint by your comments here. Until now I have drawn my opinion only upon your "peers" who have posted on Topix. Are you familiar? I know just like here that there are always a few idiots who cast a shadow on everyone else. I recently posted a comment on the other Northpoint thread with links to said Topix ....... Did you see it? I'd like to know your opinion.


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Train more.I love the fact all the posters are waking up to ObamaFan's socialist agenda. It tickles my radical right funny bone.


Cheers my friend !!


P.S. LOL< Shut up Obamafan, nobody cares about your assclown opinion, LMFAO @ you.
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